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Name: Alice Craig Country: United States State/Province: Oklahoma City: Caddo Interests: Jamming Instruments: Fiddle, Guitar Email: macraigfarm2 gmail.com Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Old Time and String Band
Entered: 05/20/13 02:22:48 EST
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Name: judi munn Country: United States State/Province: Arkansas City: Mountain View Interests: jamming, teaching Instruments: banjo Email: judimunn yahoo.com Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: I teach beginning claw-hammer banjo to kids. We are part of a Slow Jam that is held on Tuesdays at 5:30 in front of the Mountain View Music Store. You can see the tunes that we work on at oldtimeozarks.com. It is the 1963 festival jam. Hope to see you there!
Entered: 05/12/13 13:53:37 EST
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Name: jeff burger Country: United States State/Province: Hawaii City: opihikao Interests: old time banjo and fiddle tunes Instruments: banjo Email: hawaiianmedicinals yahoo.com Phone: 808-430-1284 |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: brandywine friends of old time music
Entered: 04/29/13 02:52:45 EST
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Name: Lee Talmage Country: United States State/Province: Michigan City: Battle Creek Interests: jamming socializing teaching etc. Instruments: fiddle Email: bchc002 netscape.net Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: John Morris,the Bing Brothers,Jimmy Costa,Frank George,Jody Stecher,Dan Gellert,Pam Lund,Dwight Diller,Jake Krack,Chance McCoy,John Blisard,JamesBryan,Edden,Burl,Sherman,Lee Hammons-Lee Triplett-French Carpenter-Melvin Wine-John Salyer, Seamus Ennis,Doc White,Ernie Carpenter,Hamish Moore,Bobby Taylor
Entered: 04/24/13 06:17:38 EST
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Name: glenn thomas butterhorn Country: United States State/Province: Missouri City: o'fallon Interests: jamming and forming old timey string band Instruments: fiddle, mandolin, flat top guitar, some banjo Email: bluzesman2002 yahoo.com Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Vesta Johnson, the best old time fiddler in Missouri has been my inspiration, friend and mentor. I am one of Vesta's kids. Vesta received an award from the state of Missouri this year for lifetime achievement in music and for her teaching efforts to keep old time fiddle music from missouri alive in our state. Would love to join or form a traditional old timey group that features fiddle, mando, banjo, guitar and upright bass. Interested in playing outdoor events, dances, house parties. Love to jam with like minded folks interested in old timey music, especially fiddle music. Also, love John Hartford, Bruce Molsky, Brad Leftwich, A P Fraley, Norman Blake, Tim O'Brien, also country blues guitar e.g., depression era, Jimmy Rodgers, Doc Watson, Jorma, John Hurt, etc.
Entered: 04/04/13 05:16:56 EST
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Name: Brian Vollmer Country: United States State/Province: North Carolina City: Swannanoa Interests: mainly old stuff Instruments: Banjo/Fiddle Email: emailbrianvollmer gmail.com Phone: 828.333.0615/301.385.4027 |
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Entered: 04/01/13 11:11:19 EST
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Name: Gary Stout Country: United States State/Province: Oklahoma City: Skiatook Interests: jamming Instruments: banjo. bass Email: gstout1946 aol.com Phone: |
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Entered: 03/15/13 06:23:43 EST
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Name: Bonnie Osmon Country: United States State/Province: Arkansas City: Fayetteville, Interests: Jamming, learning, sharing tunes, Instruments: Fiddle, guitar, bit of mandolin, bit of piano Email: BPOSMON att.net Phone: 4795247709 |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Love oldtime sound like mountain music, saving old tunes and songs from obscurity, Scottish and some other Celtic music, some country music, Cajun music, ballads that tell the "news stories of times gone by", gospel, ancient gospel songs, and softer contemporary Christian songs, blues numbers,
Entered: 03/13/13 17:21:03 EST
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Name: Betty Westmoreland Country: United States State/Province: Tennessee City: Collierville Interests: starting jams, writing about old-time music, listening to Sugar in the Gourd, listening to family band called the Gallinippers Instruments: I wish I could play! Email: bwestmoreland9[at]msn.com Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Drawn toward the music over the last 40 years; discovered family roots in VA, NC, TN. Now it makes sense. Couldn't make it to Breakin' Up Winter in Lebanon, TN, this weekend, but Sugar in the Gourd has helped since I couldn't make the trip. Thanks, John! Keep up the good work!
Entered: 03/03/13 16:06:03 EST
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Name: Betty Westmoreland Country: United States State/Province: Tennessee City: Collierville Interests: starting jams, writing about old-time music, listening to Sugar in the Gourd, listening to family band called the Gallinippers Instruments: I wish I could play! Email: bwestmoreland9[at]msn.com Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Drawn toward the music over the last 40 years; discovered family roots in VA, NC, TN. Now it makes sense. Couldn't make it to Breakin' Up Winter in Lebanon, TN, this weekend, but Sugar in the Gourd has helped since I couldn't make the trip. Thanks, John! Keep up the good work! Blog: talkinbluegrassmusic.blogspot.com Yahoo group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NE-AR-Bluegrass
Entered: 03/03/13 14:35:05 EST
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Name: Stew Ellis Country: United States State/Province: Michigan City: Grand Blanc Interests: jamming, banjo-fiddle duo, casual string band Instruments: clawhammer banjo (fretted and fretless), guitar, mouth bow, autoharp Email: ellis kettering.edu Phone: 810-845-4828 |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: old-time music of the pre-bluegrass, early radio era; ragtime; country blues. Doc Watson, Doc Boggs, New Lost City Ramblers, string bands from the '20s; Eric Schoenberg; Mississippi John Hurt, Mance Lipscomb, David Bromberg; Woody Guthrie.
Entered: 02/27/13 07:11:48 EST
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Name: Lucas Pasley Country: United States State/Province: North Carolina City: Sparta Interests: Jamming, Socializing Instruments: fiddle and banjo Email: pasleyspabulum gmail.com Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Birchield, Luther Davis, Emmett Lundy, Old Galax sound.
Entered: 02/19/13 03:29:25 EST
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Name: Ed Taylor Country: United States State/Province: Massachusetts City: Newburyport (north of Boston) Interests: Teaching, singing, jamming Instruments: BANJO (OT & BG) GUITAR (fingerpick & flatpick), MANDOLIN (Monroe style BG,, OT, Irish) Email: edsmerch comcast.net Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: aka Uncle Banjo - Traditional country music (Hank Wms, Carter Family, Merle Haggard),Clawhammeer banjo classics, Jazz classics, Brazilian, folk, gospel
Entered: 02/17/13 07:18:00 EST
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Name: Tim Sander Country: United States State/Province: Ohio City: Loveland Interests: jamming, learning, socializing Instruments: 5 string open back clawhammer style Email: tsander cinci.rr.com Phone: 513-575-3274 |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Began long ago and stopped for decades. Trying to learn to play well now. Looking for old time players near me to jam with. I also do a bit of banjo building/repair.
Entered: 02/15/13 08:44:56 EST
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Name: Kiesa Kay Country: United States State/Province: North Carolina City: Mill Spring Interests: Jamming, Socializing, Listening, Dancing, Playing Instruments: Fiddle, psaltery Email: mimosa1231 gmail.com Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Influences include Bruce Greene, David Mehaffey, Lenny Ski, Rooster, William Ritter, Richard Hartness, Anna Roberts-Gevalt and Elizabeth LaPrelle, Don Pedi. I am a big fan of the Bruce Greene Kentucky Fiddle Music Collection in the Berea College Sound Archives but haven't dipped into the John Harrod Collection yet.
Entered: 02/11/13 15:43:37 EST
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Name: Wesley Clifton Country: United States State/Province: North Carolina City: Raleigh Interests: Traditional Bluegrass and Old-Time, traditional music of Surry County Instruments: guitar, mandolin, clawhammer banjo Email: wesclifton83 gmail.com Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: I love both traditional bluegrass and the old-time music of the Surry County, NC, and Galax, VA, regions. I play guitar and sing in a band called the Buckstankle Boys, who make traditional mountain music, and used to play guitar and mandolin with Benton Flippen. I am influenced by the Camp Creek Boys, the Stanley Brothers, Benton Flippen and the Smokey Valley Boys, Flatt & Scruggs, Bill Monroe, Ernest East and the Pine Ridge Boys, G.F. Collins and the Blue Ridge Entertainers, and Hank Williams Sr.
Entered: 02/06/13 03:50:12 EST
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Name: Dennis Roy Congrove ( Banjo Roy) Country: United States State/Province: South Carolina City: Hilton Head Island Interests: Performing, jamming, restoring vintage instruments, banjo museum, teaching. Instruments: Clawhammer banjo, guitar, harmonica. Email: dennisc hargray.com Phone: 843-301-0200 |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Old time, bluegrass, blues, Uncle Dave Macon, David Holt, Bob Carlin, Patrick Costello, Mick Ayres.
Entered: 01/28/13 11:52:07 EST
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Name: Phil Watts Country: United States State/Province: Michigan City: Marquettte Interests: Carter Family workshops, old-time stringband music Instruments: Band is fiddle, hammer dulcimer, autoharp, banjo, guitar, bass Email: allstringsconsidered.mqt gmail.com Phone: 906-226-9868 |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: old-time fiddle tunes and songs
Entered: 01/18/13 04:50:56 EST
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Name: BIlly Country: United States State/Province: Illinois City: Makanda Interests: jamming, teaching, socializing, square dance Instruments: fiddle, banjo Email: fiddleone icloud.com Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: round peak fiddle and banjo, eastern kentucky fiddle, west virginia fiddle if you're in the southern Illinois area and play, drop a note and perhaps we can have a tune
Entered: 01/11/13 12:07:46 EST
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Name: Bill Roberts Country: United States State/Province: Oregon City: Eugene Interests: need jamming practice BAD Instruments: Fiddle, teeny guitar Email: bjrob25 gmail.com Phone: 5414852992 |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Old-timey, Blue Grass, Western Swing Like Brad Leftwich, Gid Tanner, Steve Hickman, Chubby Wise
Entered: 01/10/13 12:16:07 EST
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Name: Hans Beernink Country: United States State/Province: Oregon City: Eugene Interests: jamming, practicing, learning new songs Instruments: guitar, clawhammer banjo Email: hans.beernink gmail.com Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: looking for folks to practice with, learn new songs, etc.
Entered: 01/04/13 10:29:05 EST
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Name: Lonnie Olsen Country: Canada State/Province: British Columbia City: port alberni Interests: Jmming, chatting, cooking, hide tanning, hunting, fishing, mushrooming, gardening... Building culture. Instruments: Banjo, fiddle, guitar. Email: lonniemorse yahoo.ca Phone: 778-421-3443 |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: I like playing appalachian tunes, a lot of north carolina tunes. I like old time music that is dirty and wholesome, the kind of music we play with friends after a hard days work, i am not a polished fancy player usually.
Entered: 01/02/13 10:16:13 EST
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Name: Brett Heitzke Country: United States State/Province: Oklahoma City: Oklahoma City Interests: jamming, socializing Instruments: fiddle, mandolin, clawhammer banjo Email: brettzke aol.com Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: string band, oldtime, old country, celtic
Entered: 12/28/12 09:51:00 EST
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Name: Frank Hamilton Country: United States State/Province: Arizona City: Gilbert Interests: Jamming, performing Instruments: Clawhammer banjo, guitar, mandolin Email: Ham210 hotmail.com Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: It all sounds good to me
Entered: 12/15/12 14:55:23 EST
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Name: Ted Smith Country: United States State/Province: Washington City: Republic Interests: teaching, Jaming with fiddle Instruments: Banjo Email: tsarrow yahoo.com Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: I play clawhammer style banjo. Am willing to give free lessons. would like to find a fiddler to play old time banjo music with.
Entered: 12/15/12 11:30:41 EST
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Name: Mark Stevens Country: United States State/Province: Washington City: Chehalis Interests: Seeking frailing lessons. Instruments: Guitar; Want to learn banjo Email: marks localaccess.com Phone: |
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Entered: 12/06/12 13:26:35 EST
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Name: Josh Felker Country: United States State/Province: Tennessee City: Seymour Interests: Jamming Instruments: Mandolin and guitar (right now) Email: joscfelk gmail.com Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Really interested in old-time fiddle tunes or songs from Civil War era to the 1930's.
Entered: 11/30/12 08:06:35 EST
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Name: Amy Stinard Country: United States State/Province: Oregon City: BEND Interests: all Instruments: fiddle, mando Email: astinard cocc.edu Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: I like many styles--currently know and play lots of celtic tunes and some bluegrass, but am wanting to get into old time and meet others who play it.
Entered: 11/25/12 07:10:20 EST
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Name: Melissa Takush Country: United States State/Province: Oregon City: Eugene Interests: Jamming! Instruments: Fiddle Email: melissamandra yahoo.com Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Join us for an Old Time Music jam on the last Sunday of each month from 4-7 pm at Cozmic (8th and Charnleton) in Eugene, Oregon. Visit our facebook page at: http://www.facebook.com/CozmicOldTimeJamEugeneOregon
Entered: 11/19/12 11:50:21 EST
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Name: scott Country: United States State/Province: New Jersey City: atlantic high lands Interests: playing with other fiddlers etc Instruments: clawhammer 5 string Email: Doublestop64 myway.com Phone: 732 693 7998 |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: diller,molsky,bing,jarrel,alden etc
Entered: 11/19/12 07:27:26 EST
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Name: John Keller Country: United States State/Province: New Hampshire City: Milford Interests: Historic music research, performing Instruments: Fiddle, mandolin, clawhammer banjo, octave mandolin, tenor banjo, fife, tin whistle, Irish flute Email: jkeller1959 hotmail.com Phone: 603-673-7593 |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Missouri fiddle, Appalachian old-time music, New England contra dance music, minstrel music, Civil War folk music, fife and drum, contemporary folk. Involved in Cow Hampshire Folk, Camp Lincoln String Band, Canebrake Minstrels, Lincoln Minute Men. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O0piYLdOkw&feature=plcp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYXBUAlh_L8&list=PL6A425D56DE68FD20&index=2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuk13SpbF1c&list=PL6A425D56DE68FD20&index=4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYK29kfpEtU&feature=plcp
Entered: 11/18/12 10:15:49 EST
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Name: Pete Amos Country: United Kingdom State/Province: City: Newcastle Interests: All acoustic,Folk, Bluegrass, Old Time, Country etc. I find Old Timey stuff is a vast largely untapped resource. Instruments: Acoustic guitar, 5 string banjo long neck Email: peter.amos6 virginmedia.com Phone: 07939427283 |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Was playing down in Lewes with Michi Mathias. Now in Newcastle with small group of like minded individuals most Tuesday evenings. Anyone who can get along and interested in the music welcome - The Fusilier, Forest Row, Newcastle. 8 pm Tuesdays.
Entered: 11/12/12 04:24:08 EST
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Name: Randy Nickels Country: United States State/Province: California City: Oakhurst Interests: jamming, playing, Instruments: Guitar, harmonica Email: nickels sierranet.net Phone: 5596581242 |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Looking to meet other musicians in the area to play acoustic music, with a focus on smooth old time music with a good beat.
Entered: 10/25/12 02:42:07 EST
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Name: Adam Smith Country: United States State/Province: North Carolina City: Boone Interests: jamming, band Instruments: Bass, jawharp Email: adam.blythe.smith gmail.com Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: From Boone, NC but moving to Hilo, HI in Nov 2012 Been playing old time since 2011, have competed and won a few bass competitions at fiddlers conventions, hope to learn clawhammer soon. I'll admit that I play a washtub/gutbucket bass, which means I sometimes get discriminated against before I even start playing, but I play it like bass, with runs and all, and most people really enjoy that it's more mellow and less punchy than an upright.
Entered: 10/16/12 07:28:34 EST
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Name: William Hill Country: United States State/Province: Virginia City: Newport News Interests: learning Instruments: banjo Email: banjer mail.com Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: I strung up my banjo yesterday so don't expect much. I'd like to learn 2 or 3 finger style mostly because I'm too lazy to use all my fingers.
Entered: 10/06/12 00:27:35 EST
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Name: Doris Fain Country: United States State/Province: Virginia City: Stuart Interests: jamming,socializing,performing Instruments: bass,autoharp Email: bdfain yahoo.com Phone: 276-694-2464 |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Influenced by my husband and my friends Stu Shenk and Joe Ann Redd. I play bass for the Fisher Peak Timber Rattlers.
Entered: 09/28/12 16:20:58 EST
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Name: Brien Fain Country: United States State/Province: Virginia City: Stuart Interests: performing,jamming,socializing Instruments: banjo,fiddle,guitar,mandolin,bass,dulcimer Email: bdfain yahoo.com Phone: 276-692-6562 |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Influenced by my father Early Fain and other family members and friends in Patrick County VA.
Entered: 09/28/12 16:15:55 EST
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Name: Kyle Davenport Country: United States State/Province: Washington City: Des Moines Interests: Jamming, Socializing, Forming a Band, Learning!, playing in general Instruments: Banjo, Mandolin Email: davenpor244 gmail.com Phone: 307-751-7582 |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: An odd mix of old time banjo tunes, high energy punk rock and more modern folk (O'death [the band], for example). I also play prepared guitar and bass, but those are both electric instruments. I am new to the area (just moved out here a month ago) so looking to chill and stuff!
Entered: 09/27/12 19:48:14 EST
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Name: Stu Shenk Country: United States State/Province: Virginia City: Galax Interests: playing for dances, house music, socializing, teaching, festivals, Old Time anywhere/anytime Instruments: fiddle, banjo Email: sshenk embarqmail.com Phone: 276-236-3876 |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Started in WVA 1971 with banjo lessons from Blanton Owen(Fuzzy Mt. String Band), and a fiddle lesson from Charlie Proffit (Frank's brother). Learned many early tunes from neighbors Clifton Trail, Oscar & Gene Wright, Frank Austin, and Frank George, as well as visits with Blanton. Moved to Carroll County VA 1978 & have since learned from many Galax area musicians. Dislike jazz term "jamming" mis-used to refer to OT players getting together to make music.
Entered: 09/25/12 18:07:17 EST
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Name: Jeffrey P. Kramer Country: United States State/Province: Wisconsin City: Burlington Interests: jamming, socializing, building Instruments: banjo, fiddle, guitar, bass, accordian Email: jeff cloverlickbanjoshop.com Phone: 2624929883 |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Oldtime, oldtime country, bluegrass, rock-a-billy, slovene polkas and waltz. Primarily banjo playing. I specialize in building and repairing banjos.
Entered: 09/14/12 10:03:05 EST
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Name: Kieran M McManus Country: United States State/Province: Oregon City: Portland Interests: rocking out, traveling, festivaling, loving life Instruments: cello, banjo, guitar Email: KM KIERANMCMANUS.COM Phone: 2078410261 |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: i love to play most styles of music but rap and electronica
Entered: 09/10/12 12:23:38 EST
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Name: Brian Ray Country: United States State/Province: Wisconsin City: Middleton Interests: picking old-time & Bluegrass; learning fiddle tunes; playing dances; recording; listening. Instruments: Mandolin Email: thebriarpickers[at]gmail.com Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Monroe-style mandolin player who plays mostly traditional Bluegrass & old-time music. Current bands: The BriarPickers (http://thebriarpickers.com) and Blue Grass Boys Reunion (http://bluegrassboysreunion.com).
Entered: 09/08/12 23:33:34 EST
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Name: Judy Sigmund Country: United States State/Province: Massachusetts City: Marblehead Interests: Small group picking sessions, Square dances Instruments: Banjo, Guitar Email: sigmundja comcast.net Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Clawhammer, Old Time, Round Peak, Hoedown
Entered: 09/02/12 02:48:21 EST
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Name: Mark Nelson Country: United States State/Province: Oregon City: Jacksonville Interests: Good friends & good music. Also beer. Instruments: banjo-mando, guitar, Mountain Dulcimer.. also uke, Hawaiian steel, banjo, bass & really bad fiddle Email: mark mark-o.com Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Been playing old time music a very long time. Big fan of western old time music: Deseret String Band, Wasatch Rascals, East Texas Serenaders; ditto western swing, honky tonk, Hawaiian, Galician, French, zydeco, swing.... I'll play just about any kind of music with just about anyone at just about any time, so long as it's fun. Oh, and I teach stuff & write stuff & record stuff, too. www.mark-o.com
Entered: 09/01/12 11:00:31 EST
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Name: Tim Stickle Country: United States State/Province: Vermont City: Burlington Interests: jamming, playing out Instruments: fiddle, mandolin, guitar, voice Email: tstickle uvm.edu Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Southern old-time tunes and songs, honky tonk, and related
Entered: 08/31/12 08:18:27 EST
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Name: John Bills Country: United States State/Province: Washington City: Pullman Interests: jamming Instruments: clawhammer & bluegrass banjo, fiddle, guitar, mandolin Email: jbills1 utk.edu Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: old-time and bluegrass
Entered: 08/17/12 13:43:08 EST
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Name: Reid Ringer Country: United States State/Province: South Carolina City: Saluda Interests: Jamming, socializing; meeting other musicians in SC Instruments: fiddle, clawhammer banjo Email: ringers greenwood.net Phone: 864/445-8000 |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Round Peak; Obscure tunes collected from SC, Ashe County, NC, and from my long time band mates in The Crescent Moon Rounders from Chapel Hill, NC.
Entered: 08/17/12 01:06:58 EST
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Name: Will Alldredge Country: United States State/Province: Oregon City: Newberg Interests: Jamming Instruments: Banjo,guitar, a little bit of fiddling, Irish flute and accordion Email: alldredgewill yahoo.com Phone: |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Old time fiddle and banjo music and string band stuff. I play Irish tunes too when I can. I like all the old stuff. Wade Ward,Tommy,Fred,Kyle Creed,Carter brothers etc..Too many to remember.
Entered: 08/11/12 03:59:01 EST
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Name: Don Buedel Country: United States State/Province: Illinois City: Murphysboro Interests: jams, teaching, socializing, performances Instruments: fiddle, guitar, banjo, mandolin, harmonica, etc. Email: missouri_don yahoo.com Phone: 618.565.4447 |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: I lived in southern Missouri for a long time and learned to play the short bow style they played around my neighborhood.I love to learn new tunes and adapt them to that style. My wife Lori and I play various festivals and venues around the midwest.
Entered: 08/08/12 17:50:10 EST
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Name: Peggy Pings Country: United States State/Province: West Virginia City: Core Interests: dancing, socializing, sharing foot percussion, learning guitar Instruments: clogging board Email: mpings wvu.edu Phone: 304.879.5622 |
Styles/Influences, Other Info: Low-impact flat-footin' foot percussion for hours at a time, the faster the better!
Entered: 08/08/12 14:47:55 EST
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